Are we all born an Atheist?
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Can you think of anything which is widely believed but false? If you can then can you explain why religious belief holds a special position amongst belief?
How many people believing something is needed to make that belief true?
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Don’t sacrifice me!SimpleGuy wrote: ↑October 18th, 2018, 1:41 pm We're not born atheists , we had to sacrifice everything to get a glimpse of god and then had to sacrifice god. The main thing was to sacrifice, what's left was a potion of nihilism and the insight that atheism is not such a strange attitude. But i am still sacrificing others.
There may be more to that than superficial humor. Fowler’s faith stages suggest after religious dogma stage comes skeptical atheist stage - and then the 5th stage involves taking good bits from the 2 previous without getting stuck in either.
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And that's where we differ, believing there is no god is as irrational an act as believing there is a god to this agnostic and I can't see how the 'it's all the same' can be justified.
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Believing there is no God vs Not believing in God.
However, entities that largely fulfil the stated requirements of God do exist - supermassive black holes.
Sagittarius A*, around which the Milky Way rotates, is:
- responsible for creating us and keeping us alive
- larger than is comprehensible
- more powerful than anything we can imagine
- not comprised of matter
- not subject to time as we are, virtually timeless
Black holes are the very epitome of bonding - they draw you to them and in the end we may end up back in there.
What aspects of God have been missed?
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Generally God is an experiencer, has viewpoints, is aware of things, has emotions. In monotheisms: is transcendent. Is not part of something larger: for example, is not a subset of the universe. In monotheisms: is a moral being, with opinions about what morals we should have. Does not have an origin in time.Greta wrote: ↑October 21st, 2018, 6:36 pmBelieving there is no God vs Not believing in God.
However, entities that largely fulfil the stated requirements of God do exist - supermassive black holes.
Sagittarius A*, around which the Milky Way rotates, is:
- responsible for creating us and keeping us alive
- larger than is comprehensible
- more powerful than anything we can imagine
- not comprised of matter
- not subject to time as we are, virtually timeless
Black holes are the very epitome of bonding - they draw you to them and in the end we may end up back in there.
What aspects of God have been missed?
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Solid reply :) Lack of omnipresence is the main dealbreaker. Still, most branches posit God as apart from the universe, and it's said that a black hole is functionally a separate universe in itself. Maybe this is one of those weird inside-outy kind of dynamics where who is is without is really within, or something like that ...Karpel Tunnel wrote: ↑October 21st, 2018, 9:54 pmGenerally God is an experiencer, has viewpoints, is aware of things, has emotions. In monotheisms: is transcendent. Is not part of something larger: for example, is not a subset of the universe. In monotheisms: is a moral being, with opinions about what morals we should have. Does not have an origin in time.Greta wrote: ↑October 21st, 2018, 6:36 pm
Believing there is no God vs Not believing in God.
However, entities that largely fulfil the stated requirements of God do exist - supermassive black holes.
Sagittarius A*, around which the Milky Way rotates, is:
- responsible for creating us and keeping us alive
- larger than is comprehensible
- more powerful than anything we can imagine
- not comprised of matter
- not subject to time as we are, virtually timeless
Black holes are the very epitome of bonding - they draw you to them and in the end we may end up back in there.
What aspects of God have been missed?
A deity that creates all of this is clearly not a moral being, but one that gets things done without care about the suffering of innocents inflicted along the way. That's not a judgement, just an observation.
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God seems awfully human were it not for its transcendency being without origin in time. Aside from these minor attributes everything else seems to fit!Karpel Tunnel wrote: ↑October 21st, 2018, 9:54 pmGenerally God is an experiencer, has viewpoints, is aware of things, has emotions. In monotheisms: is transcendent. Is not part of something larger: for example, is not a subset of the universe. In monotheisms: is a moral being, with opinions about what morals we should have. Does not have an origin in time.Greta wrote: ↑October 21st, 2018, 6:36 pm
Believing there is no God vs Not believing in God.
However, entities that largely fulfil the stated requirements of God do exist - supermassive black holes.
Sagittarius A*, around which the Milky Way rotates, is:
- responsible for creating us and keeping us alive
- larger than is comprehensible
- more powerful than anything we can imagine
- not comprised of matter
- not subject to time as we are, virtually timeless
Black holes are the very epitome of bonding - they draw you to them and in the end we may end up back in there.
What aspects of God have been missed?
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Perhaps all the subjectively horrible things that happen are necessary in some way.
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