Circular Time

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LuckyR wrote: December 30th, 2018, 2:51 am
h_k_s wrote: December 29th, 2018, 9:33 pm

You can/must start your own philosophy of science fiction with some kind of general principle.

For math the principles are all definitions.

For science fiction you need to choose something or create some rule that would govern it.

What would you propose ??
It doesn't matter what I propose. Physics has already "proposed" Einstein's theory of Special Relativity.
The Big E (Einstein) is falling out of favor in many philosophical circles.

You probably did not know that.

You can google the topic and find out if you are interested.

FYI.
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h_k_s wrote: December 30th, 2018, 1:21 pm
LuckyR wrote: December 30th, 2018, 2:51 am

It doesn't matter what I propose. Physics has already "proposed" Einstein's theory of Special Relativity.
The Big E (Einstein) is falling out of favor in many philosophical circles.

You probably did not know that.

You can google the topic and find out if you are interested.

FYI.
It follows just from the speed of light being constant that observers experience a different present. Which rules out presentism. Do you doubt Einstein's axiom? or his reasoning?
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devans99 wrote: December 30th, 2018, 1:52 pm
h_k_s wrote: December 30th, 2018, 1:21 pm

The Big E (Einstein) is falling out of favor in many philosophical circles.

You probably did not know that.

You can google the topic and find out if you are interested.

FYI.
It follows just from the speed of light being constant that observers experience a different present. Which rules out presentism. Do you doubt Einstein's axiom? or his reasoning?
You are being verbose and argumentative. Those are fallacies.
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h_k_s wrote: December 30th, 2018, 1:20 pm
Mark1955 wrote: December 30th, 2018, 10:44 am
The same one you use to support your conclusion there's no such thing as the past because it's just a function of the human mind.
Your fallacy is argument from ignorance then. You don't know either way. But there is no evidence to support your view.

My view is the default view -- that if there is no evidence for something then it does not exist.

You have also tried to shift the burden and move the goal posts. Bad dog.
Guess you haven't heard that Einstein's spacetime was confirmed in every experiment, that's 100% evidence so far. It's well known for example that GPS systems would quickly break down if Einstein was wrong.
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I suppose without a careful study of Immanuel Kant's criteria for a-priori and a-posteriori it is not possible for anyone to have a good grasp of "what follows" versus simply being an argumentative tag suffix.
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h_k_s wrote: December 30th, 2018, 2:29 pm I suppose without a careful study of Immanuel Kant's criteria for a-priori and a-posteriori it is not possible for anyone to have a good grasp of "what follows" versus simply being an argumentative tag suffix.
Here's one more comment you can pretend to ignore.

You can go ahead and do whatever you can with your mind functions of space and time, even get rid of them in deep meditation. But that too is happening within the observable universe, where Einstein spacetime applies. :)
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Now is the Time; the Here Now; the only time that exists.

The Reality of the moment, the here and Now encompasses the past the present and the Future.

The Moment, that the past the present and the future cross path, is so minute, that the past the present future take on the Reality of the moment, the Here and Now, the only Time that exists.

Now is the Time!
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h_k_s wrote: December 30th, 2018, 1:21 pm
LuckyR wrote: December 30th, 2018, 2:51 am

It doesn't matter what I propose. Physics has already "proposed" Einstein's theory of Special Relativity.
The Big E (Einstein) is falling out of favor in many philosophical circles.

You probably did not know that.

You can google the topic and find out if you are interested.

FYI.
Really? How are your writings faring among physics circles?

Google, since you brought it up, could enlighten you on the topics I have referenced, if your entry level college physics class skipped over them.
"As usual... it depends."
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LuckyR wrote: December 31st, 2018, 3:43 am
h_k_s wrote: December 30th, 2018, 1:21 pm

The Big E (Einstein) is falling out of favor in many philosophical circles.

You probably did not know that.

You can google the topic and find out if you are interested.

FYI.
Really? How are your writings faring among physics circles?

Google, since you brought it up, could enlighten you on the topics I have referenced, if your entry level college physics class skipped over them.
This is a philosophy forum. Not physics.
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h_k_s wrote: December 30th, 2018, 1:20 pm Your fallacy is argument from ignorance then. You don't know either way. But there is no evidence to support your view.

My view is the default view -- that if there is no evidence for something then it does not exist.

You have also tried to shift the burden and move the goal posts. Bad dog.
First let's skip the animal analogies. Second absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence, I'm not sure who you think holds a default view that just because we're incapable of detecting something it doesn't exist. Even Donald Rumsfeld knows about the 'unknown unknowns'. The concept of now is in your mind as is the concept of the past, unless you have some form of existential dementia and are incapable of remembering anything. The biology of the neurons that bring the senses of now into your mind are the same as those that the mind consists of, as far as we can currently tell, so if your mind conceives of now and now is real I'd suggest that it also conceives of a real past.
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Mark1955 wrote: December 31st, 2018, 11:56 am
h_k_s wrote: December 30th, 2018, 1:20 pm Your fallacy is argument from ignorance then. You don't know either way. But there is no evidence to support your view.

My view is the default view -- that if there is no evidence for something then it does not exist.

You have also tried to shift the burden and move the goal posts. Bad dog.
First let's skip the animal analogies. Second absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence, I'm not sure who you think holds a default view that just because we're incapable of detecting something it doesn't exist. Even Donald Rumsfeld knows about the 'unknown unknowns'. The concept of now is in your mind as is the concept of the past, unless you have some form of existential dementia and are incapable of remembering anything. The biology of the neurons that bring the senses of now into your mind are the same as those that the mind consists of, as far as we can currently tell, so if your mind conceives of now and now is real I'd suggest that it also conceives of a real past.
Under Modern Empiricism (I hope you have studied what that means) you must utilize your senses to observe before you can state that something outside of yourself exists.

That is the default view.

With such intangibles as math and time there is simply no evidence of their existence outside of the human mind.

That's the starting point.

That time does not exist is the starting point.

Ergo that "circular time" is a science fiction topic is the a-posteriori conclusion -- the only logical one.

You can keep playing at science fiction if you want. You can even throw out more ad hom's and populorum fallacies too.

But then you are outside of pure philosophy. You have become a science fiction Sophist instead.
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h_k_s wrote: December 31st, 2018, 10:17 am
LuckyR wrote: December 31st, 2018, 3:43 am

Really? How are your writings faring among physics circles?

Google, since you brought it up, could enlighten you on the topics I have referenced, if your entry level college physics class skipped over them.
This is a philosophy forum. Not physics.
You clearly have demonstrated a firm grasp of the obvious. I would encourage you to broaden your scope, especially if you are going to try to deny the proven.
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Atla wrote: December 30th, 2018, 3:05 am
LuckyR wrote: December 29th, 2018, 4:04 am Astronaut Mark Kelly traveling 5 milliseconds into the future during his year in the International Space Station is the most media forward example because he is American and happens to be an identical twin. Relatively common knowledge.
It's also common knowledge that relativity of time and time travel are two different things.
What would you call traveling into the future?
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LuckyR wrote: January 1st, 2019, 4:58 am
Atla wrote: December 30th, 2018, 3:05 am
It's also common knowledge that relativity of time and time travel are two different things.
What would you call traveling into the future?
Time travel is about skipping time, those astronauts don't do that.
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